Anonymous said,
"If you tell a school counselor you were raped do they have to tell your parents?"

selfcareafterrape:

I’m not 100% certain, but I think so. I think all school employees are mandatory reporters. at least when you’re a minor.

In college I don’t think so? but almost definitely in high school and younger.

in some places, college employees are mandatory reporters.  you’ll have to look up the law where you live to know that, although its a bit hard to find.  however, if someone is over 18 they wouldn’t have to tell your parents.  and they’ll definitely only have to tell for people over 18 if it’s an ongoing situation.  that might also apply to minors too, they might only have to tell if it’s an ongoing situation where a minor is still in danger, but i’m not sure.

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posted 3 weeks ago (® selfcareafterrape)
Anonymous said,
"Do you think that if Fitz and Mellie's marriage was loving, he would have not fallen in love with Olivia? Or fall in love with her but not take it further? Because the way they have set up the relationship it seems like these two are soul mates and they have an epic love where neither can move on!"

watchcolortv:

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I agree with all.  And another thing…  Fitz never chose Mellie.  His boozy-rapist of a father arranged that Faustian deal.  And if you ask me… if Fitz was left to his own devices, he never would’ve walked down the aisle with that scheming, conniving, political slag.  Ugh, I can not stand that bitch!  And why the hell is Olivia Pope not married to Fitz?  He’s rich.  Sexy.  Powerful.  And he’s a romantic.  Psh, let me touch the U.S. Constution, and I would’ve tied the knot that night.  Honestly, sometimes I just wanna wring that woman’s neck for playing games with that man.  He’s the BEST she’s ever gonna get.  -SistaMaryFabulous

Ew, telling abuse victims their abusers are the best they’re gonna get.

Olivia Pope is amazing and can do way better than anyone who abuses her.

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posted 3 weeks ago (® watchcolortv)
http://holy-crap-scandal.tumblr.com/post/81095692318/okay-lets-be-clear-about-something-fitz

holy-crap-scandal:

Okay, let’s be clear about something:

Fitz falling in love with Olivia was not what destroyed his marriage with Mellie! If people would watch the past two seasons, they would SEE and REMEMBER, their marriage was dead BEFORE Olivia came into the picture. I’ve seen some comments about how it’s…

if by asking Mellie, you mean screaming at her while trying to touch her

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posted 3 weeks ago (® holy-crap-scandal)
Ugh mellie....

lonnii-renae:

nothingaboutus-withoutus:

lonnii-renae:

lonnii-renae:

nothingaboutus-withoutus:

lonnii-renae:

Its amazing how mellie is the victim now. I literally throw up in my mouth everytime they make it seem like mellie didnt choose to use her rape to her own advantage. Im sorry for what happened but I don’t feel sorry for her…

Okay I concede, that would be hard condidering she still has not told her own husband. But at least she told andrew right. Im glad she was able yo get that off her chest. Im not telling her how to cope with abuse. Dont throw in his face all she has done and dont back that shit up. Because all it sounds like is bullshit. Im sorry but mellie has made herself the victim since the rape. She has enough backbone to set up plans and throw Jeanne under the bus. She has to develop. She can’t stay stagnant and that what she is. Always the “victim”

 Im sorry but mellie has made herself the victim since the rape”

maybe thats cause she was the victim of the rape????

and she wouldn’t have “thrown in his face all she’d done” had he not been blaming her for having ptsd in the first place

How can she blame him for something he knows nothing about?!?! Fact of the matter is fitz blames her and she blames him. There were better ways for her to hand herself and situations that arise but she chooses to be underhanded. That is the truth.

He chooses to not have a spot of compassion for anyone, so that’s his decision.  He doesn’t know what happened, but it’s pretty clear that there are certain things he says that cause trigger reactions in her and he just doesn’t care or bother to do anything but yell at her while she’s obviously experiencing a trigger reaction.

And uh, how is blaming her for not being able to be touched NOT blaming her for her ptsd

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posted 3 weeks ago (® lonnii-renae)
Ugh mellie....

lonnii-renae:

lonnii-renae:

nothingaboutus-withoutus:

lonnii-renae:

Its amazing how mellie is the victim now. I literally throw up in my mouth everytime they make it seem like mellie didnt choose to use her rape to her own advantage. Im sorry for what happened but I don’t feel sorry for her…

Okay I concede, that would be hard condidering she still has not told her own husband. But at least she told andrew right. Im glad she was able yo get that off her chest. Im not telling her how to cope with abuse. Dont throw in his face all she has done and dont back that shit up. Because all it sounds like is bullshit. Im sorry but mellie has made herself the victim since the rape. She has enough backbone to set up plans and throw Jeanne under the bus. She has to develop. She can’t stay stagnant and that what she is. Always the “victim”

 Im sorry but mellie has made herself the victim since the rape”

maybe thats cause she was the victim of the rape????

and she wouldn’t have “thrown in his face all she’d done” had he not been blaming her for having ptsd in the first place

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posted 3 weeks ago (® lonnii-renae)

lonnii-renae:

nothingaboutus-withoutus:

lonnii-renae:

Its amazing how mellie is the victim now. I literally throw up in my mouth everytime they make it seem like mellie didnt choose to use her rape to her own advantage. Im sorry for what happened but I don’t feel sorry for her miserable life. The life she choose to stay in.

you’re boring and a victim blamer

No what I am is telling the truth. Any woman who repeatedly complains about how her husband doesnt love her but doesnt do anything about it is crazy. All she has to do is leave. She chose to use her rape as a step stool. If she wanted to exploit her rape, she could have gotten on national tv and told the everyone how big gerry raped her. She would have sympathy votes and fitz would still get elected. No she did underhanded shit and exploited herself even more. But blame where blame should go.

YOU DO NOT GET TO TELL VICTIMS THAT THEIR WAYS OF COPING ARE WRONG.  

Also, seriously, do you even understand how difficult it would be most victims of rape to go on national television and say that the father of their spouse raped them???

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posted 3 weeks ago (® lonnii-renae)

lonnii-renae:

Its amazing how mellie is the victim now. I literally throw up in my mouth everytime they make it seem like mellie didnt choose to use her rape to her own advantage. Im sorry for what happened but I don’t feel sorry for her miserable life. The life she choose to stay in.

you’re boring and a victim blamer

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posted 3 weeks ago (® lonnii-renae)
http://sekairyu.tumblr.com/post/80046852131/i-cheered-when-carol-had-to-put-lizzie-down-she

sekairyu:

I cheered when Carol had to ‘put lizzie down.’ She was a sociopath who murdered her sister and was going to kill a baby. She tried to kill the baby once already. She was a danger to people. There was no helping her either. She was too far gone. She fucking thought that the walkers were her…

you’re disgusting

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posted 1 month ago (® sekairyu)
Things I'm pondering

psychoanthrowalker:

Did Lizzie and Mika’s father have any idea that something was seriously wrong with Lizzie? Or was Lizzie’s craziness something that worsened considerably because of the stress from the outbreak at the prison (including losing her father), from the loss of the prison, and being in almost constant…

….Being mentally ill isn’t the same thing as being violent.  She only killed people because she thought they’d still be alive as zombies.  Therefore, it makes sense that, had the zombie apocalypse not happened, she would not have experienced that particular form of psychosis and likely would not have killed anyone.  She might’ve experienced other forms of psychosis, but psychosis doesn’t equal violence.

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posted 1 month ago (® psychoanthrowalker)
To people who think Lizzie was a product of the end of the world

lizziesamuelsfuture:

nothingaboutus-withoutus:

lizziesamuelsfuture:

nothingaboutus-withoutus:

lizziesamuelsfuture:

nothingaboutus-withoutus:

lizziesamuelsfuture:

While Lizzie is my favorite character on the WD the producers and writers of the show have come out and confirmed that Lizzie’s psychiatric issues pre-dated the apocalypse. They hinted at that on the show when Mika already knew the exact way to calm Lizzie down during her freakout and when Carol…

1) Just because some of her symptoms fit ASPD, doesn’t mean all of them do?  A lot of things Lizzie did related to me as an autistic person, clearly not the violence or killing part, but the meltdowns especially, and the way of viewing the world that others may not quite understand.  This is a problem with the show, all they wanted to do was conflate mental illness and disorders with violence (which is fucked up), so they just gave Lizzie a bunch of various symptoms that fit different disorders.

2) most people with ASPD don’t become serial killers.

3) people with ASPD don’t deserve to die just because of their disorder.  especially not children, wtf?

4) now obviously killing someone aggravates this, but Lizzie clearly thought that what she was doing wasn’t harmful.  she thought her sister would come back.  instead of explaining gently to her why her beliefs were wrong before this happened, everyone just kept yelling at her that she was wrong and telling her she was messed up.

5) Lizzie does display compassion, although it’s towards zombies.

6) how does the fact that her mental illness / disorder predated the zombie apocalypse make her more deserving of death?

1) Several different types of personality and mood disorders share symptoms. Many people can display one or two of the symptoms and not have a disorder at all. However all of her characteristics put together are what lead me to believe she suffered from ASPD. Her violence being one of the most important. Her lack of empathy, her lack of remorse for killing, her fascination with Judith struggling under her hand while suffocating her, her slicing up small animals and nailing them to boards for her personal entertainment, her lack of understanding right from wrong, her having more of an interest in walkers (whose words she could control since she claims they speak to her, which if true would mean that whatever they’re saying is whatever she is projecting onto them)  than living humans, etc. Also Lizzie is based off a character from the comic books so the show didn’t make her up for any of those reasons.

2) The majority of them they don’t, but a small percent do. I never said she would become a serial killer. I said she had the potential too.

3) Where in my post did I say that Lizzie deserved to die? In my opinion I would have preferred if she lived. Shes one of my favorites characters on the show so far. I would have loved to see where they could have taken her character or have learned more about her life before the ZA.

4) Carol, Mika and even Carl tried to explain to her that walkers are dead several times. Lizzie was beyond comprehending it from them. I’d assume Mika had many conversations with her about it and its possible her own father knew of her view and tried to explain it to her. If the most important people to Lizzie (Mika and Carol) couldn’t get through to her I doubt anyone else in the group could have. Lizzie would have required time and a therapist to ever understand it. Neither of which were available.

5) Lizzie displayed more “compassion” to passing walkers she never even knew than she did towards her own little sister who she grew up with and her father. If you don’t see the problem with that….

6) My previous post was directed towards people who think her psychosis was caused by the apocalypse not whether I thought she should have died because of it. If you want to debate whether or not Carol should have killed Lizzie then looking at it from Ty and Carol’s point of view….they didn’t really have a choice. In the real world she’d get help and there would be a chance that she could be taught right from wrong. However in the middle of a ZA there was no one around them who knew how to handle a psychotic child. After Lizzie helped kill the walkers by the fence Carol was under the impression that Lizzie finally understood that Walkers are their enemies. Once Lizzie killed Mika there was no going back. She killed the last living person she had left in the real world in favor of her make believe world where walkers were her friends. She had a clear preference for dead things(regardless if she thought they were dead or not) to living things like people and even animals. Like Carol said, she couldn’t be trusted around people anymore.  She couldn’t continue to travel with them because she was a threat to Judith (who she would have killed if they arrived even one minute later) and them as well since she had a gun. They couldn’t leave her behind because she’d be a danger to any well meaning person who came across her. Not to mention how it would be a fate worse than death if they left her behind and she came across a group of men who would take pleasure in doing things a lot worse than just killing her. If they left her and no one found her then she’d either slowly starve to death or be painfully torn apart and eaten by the walkers. They had no options left on the table but to do what they did. Do I think she deserved it? From my perspective living in the world I live in no because she could seek help. In the Walking Dead world? Just because she didn’t deserve it doesn’t mean it wasn’t sadly the most logical and safe option they had.

1) lizzie could also have multiple disorders? i mean, it’s not like people always only have one disorder.  and i mean, ASPD cannot even be diagnosed in children under age 18 for a reason.  but even if we are going to treat lizzie like an 18 year old (which we honestly cannot), she wouldn’t fit so many of the symptoms.  she doesn’t have a pattern of lying, she hasn’t engaged in multiple physical fights or assaults over a long period of time, she’s the opposite of irresponsible (she honors what she feels are her obligations to levels where she’s honoring these obligations too closely), she doesn’t have a reckless regard for the safety of her and others (completely the opposite, she follows carol’s instructions about safety almost perfectly), she doesn’t have trouble planning ahead.  you’re basing your feelings of her having ASPD on pure stereotype, and basically assuming the only and the defining symptom of ASPD is violence, which it’s not.  it makes way more sense to view Lizzie as someone who is experiencing delusions.  this is something that could be due to a variety of different mental illnesses, but is not a symptom of ASPD.   people with delusions and psychosis who hear things that cannot speak can speak are not necessarily projecting their thoughts onto them.  i hear voices, but that doesn’t mean I’m suddenly a cruel self-absorbed person who just wants to hear my own thoughts.  it just means i’m mentally ill.  (and the tv show strays from the comic all the time so thats hardly an excuse.)

2) that still doesn’t make people with ASPD more deserving of death.  which, again, lizzie would never have been diagnosed with.

3) your entire post was defending killing her?

4) …. in the most condescending “you’re wrong, why can’t you see that you’re wrong” way ever.   the majority of kids aren’t going to respond to being told anything in that manner. 

5) i never said it was a healthy thing?  i said she is capable of compassion towards creatures she truly sees as human.  she’s certainly not incapable of compassion, even if that compassion is misdirected.

6) a response to people (children!!!) not being able to get help from mental health professionals is not to kill them, it’s to find someone who can give them help.  they’re going to terminus, what is the likelihood that there would not be some form of former mental health professional there that could help lizzie with the delusions she was experienced.  they clearly have a lot of people, given all the advertising they’re doing.

1) ” she doesn’t have a reckless regard for the safety of her and others” Her entire story arc is how her mindset about the walkers caused her to act recklessly making her a danger to herself and everyone around her. She repeated wandered around the prison unsupervised feeding walkers rats in the darkest most unsafe parts of prison and also feed walkers near the gates which could possibly be one of the causes of the increase of walkers near the fence, she almost suffocated Judith while zoning out to the point where she left her sister in danger, she played tag with walkers mistaking them wanting to eat her as “wanting a friend” and would have been killed if not for Carol, she tried to call to a walker in the prison like a dog and would have been killed if not for one of the adults saving her. Shes the exact definition of irresponsible. The only instructions she follows are the ones she wants to, which were have you knife on your belt and your gun ready. It begins and ends there.

We may not had seen a pattern of lying yet but she was only in what 5? 6? maybe 7 episodes with about 30-40 minutes of airtime at most. I’d assume if any adult ever asked her where she was going when she went missing while on her walker feeding sprees in the prison she lied. She also expressed annoyance at Mika for outing her about the dead rabbits meaning that she knew and understood to hide that side of herself and that she would be chastised if anyone found out she was killing for enjoyment. It also means that Lizzie had killed more than just the few rabbits in the forest and the one Tyrese found to the extent that Mika knew. I doubt she was killing these rabbits in her cell. She most likely committed those actions in the dark end of the prison no one went too (where Ty found one) and irresponsibility let Mika come along.She had a bloodlust and liked to exert control over anything smaller than herself. It wasn’t until the Judith crying scene that she suddenly realized she could push those fantasies onto people.

We can go down the whole list of ASPD  symptoms if you want. She was very aggressive when challenged as the show displayed and I doubt Mika didn’t put up as fight when Lizzie gutted her. She had no empathy and no remorse for anything she did. The “don’t worry she’ll come back” was her rationalizing her killing. She rationalizes all of her actions. Even if she was 100% convinced Mika would could back that doesn’t excuse the pain she knew she would be inflicting on Mika by thrusting a knife into her stomach. That doesn’t change the fact that she knew it wasn’t what Mika wanted. But she rationalized it by saying “Sometimes you have to do mean things to people.” There was always an excuse why what she did wasn’t wrong and there would always be an excuse. She had no concern for Ty’s feelings when she insulted Sasha in front of him. Every single person around her told her she was in the wrong yet she still believed she was correct even when put into situations where she was proven wrong (when she leading away Glenn’s walker like a pet only for him to attack her and when Mika was almost bitten). She had no problem attaching herself to Carol but the relationship quickly fizzled as Carol spent more time with her and finally saw the side of Lizzie that she was hiding. Also keep in mind she was approaching puberty and her symptoms were likely getting worse as she got older. Her not displaying every symptom to a T doesn’t mean she wouldn’t fully embody them by the time she was 18.

She very well could have been suffering from several disorders. I’m not only focusing on her violence. I’m taking everything into consideration and theres obviously several problems (for example her hearing voices). But it is her extreme violence that leads me to believe she had the potential to grow up to be a killer regardless of whatever disorder she was suffering from and regardless of what world she lived in.  Its hard to ignore when almost all of her actions on the show involved some level of violence in the most unnecessary situations (even for a zombie apocalypse). Having the potential doesn’t guarantee that it would happen. She could have been treated with medication and years of therapy and could have ended up alright. Because you’re right she was only 11 or 12. But you’re thinking about it from our society’s point of view. In the walking dead society is dead. There is no one to help her and the show intended for her to be a psychopath whether you choose to look at it that way or not. This was one of the storylines that the writers chose to follow almost exactly (they did stray a bit) from the comics and that character was a future psychopath. Not everyone in Lizzie’s situation would have become a killer but she did. You’re taking it incredibly personally how they handled Lizzie’s character and you’re comparing yourself to Lizzie but you’re ignoring that you said the key things that differentiate you from her. You don’t torture animals or smother babies. Lizzie enjoyed both. In my opinion (not from the mouth of the creators) her fascination with the walkers was just an extension of her fascination with death (that she had long before the end of the world). She’d be more comparable to someone like Jeffrey Dahmer who spent his childhood preoccupied by death and dead animals bodies. She obviously had an interest in dissecting dead bodies as seen by the rabbit she nailed to the wood. In a way her seeing the walkers as “alive” meant that she could then do to real living humans what she did to those rabbits (as she ended up doing to Mika) and it wouldn’t be wrong because shes not killing them as long as she doesnt “hurt their brains.” That was her way of her satisfying her bloodlust and rationalizing her actions at the same time. In our reality she may have come up with a different reason why her killings were okay.

Lizzie is a fictional character in a fictional society where there is no help. There is no medication. Its not as easy as someone sitting down and talking to her. You’re trying to pinpoint the 2-3 times someone yelled at her about her viewpoint on walkers when it was clearly shown that they had already spoken to her calmly about the subject and were losing their patience with her as she became more and more dangerous. Lizzie had no compassion for human beings. It doesn’t matter if she, in your mind, showed compassion for the walkers because at the end of the day they weren’t people and it didn’t stop her from harming every. other. living. thing. on the planet.

My original post in no way said anything about killing Lizzie. You missed the entire point of the post if you think its about that. Read the title of the post. I never said a thing about killing Lizzie.

Now while its fine to debate Lizzie’s symptoms and what she could have become in the real world setting it makes no sense trying to think about Lizzie’s death in real world standards. Shes not in the real world. In the real world she would be sent to a mental institution if she killed her little sister and expressed a desire to kill a baby. That wasn’t an option here. What would you have preferred they do with her? She would have killed again as she got older and the older she got the better she would get at lying about it and hiding it and creating a mask to hide who she really was. Thats it. Thats her future. There was nothing else. Thats the word of the creators and thats what they wanted their character to symbolize. Its in no way a reflection on what they think of mentally ill or disturbed people in real life because the show isnt about real life.

Carol and Ty don’t even know if Termiuis exists. They don’t know whats there and they dont know who is there. What are the odds there is a highly qualified psychologist who specializing in whatever Lizzie is handling? Stop idealizing a zombie apocalypse. They could take Lizzie there and she could fool everyone there the same way she fooled people at Woodburys and the prison and end up killing another child. they tried to help her but the girl was too far gone. She killed her little sister the same way she killed rabbits. She was only going to get worse in the environment she was in. She was a threat to everyone around her. I’m beyond sad to see her go but what else was left? There was no help for her in their world.

 I had a whole post written out but I accidently hit the back button on the computer and it all got deleted.

However, the thing is, even though of course I’m not violent, the stereotype of mentally ill people as violent affects me, because I’m mentally ill.  I do not think the creators did any research on ASPD, and almost all the behavior you cite as reckless is not reckless in the context of Lizzie’s delusions.  Lizzie does not go into situations she believes to be unsafe, she just has a false perception of what is safe.  At any rate, they basically created a modgepodge of different tropes about mentally ill people, rather than doing any research, and then decided that this mentally ill character would be violent.

Also, there were plenty of characters with physical illnesses that got help within TWD, why the fuck would it not be the same for mentally ill characters?  Also, the response to not being able to help someone who is ill should not be to murder them.  

I mean clearly you’re dead set in your view on this so there isn’t really much i can say except we disagree on a huge scale. It doesn’t matter if Lizzie recognizes her behavior as reckless or not that doesn’t change that it is. Many people with mental disorders get themselves into situations that they don’t precieve as wrong or dangerous. The inability to recognize that is a part of an untreated disorder. Lizzie was never a mentally ill character who the writers decided at the spur of the moment to become violent. The majority of her characteristics are taken from serial killers. Shes not based on the average person with a disorder because the majority of them don’t kill. She was based on the small minority who do, but you keep trying to compare her to the majority when she was far worse than that. She was in the beginning stages of becoming Ted Bundy.

Physical illnesses are not anywhere near comparable to mental ones. You can give someone tyneol for a headache and thats that. Even a 10 year old knows what Aspirin is. Taking care of someone with mental illness would require a vast knowledge of psychiatry and medication that the average person, even a skilled doctor, doesn’t have. And the walking dead’s go to solution to every character having a mental break isn’t to kill them. Rick suffered from psychosis while in the prison. The difference between Lizzie and Rick when he had his breakdown is that even at his worse Rick wasnt a danger to everyone’s lives. He focused his aggression on killing walkers and isolating himself from others. Lizzie killed a child, attempted to kill a baby twice and intended to kill others. They gave her chance after chance after chance and she finally pushed too far. Carol and Mika tried to help her and Ty wanted to help as well but even he had to acknowledge that they didn’t have the means to help her. They let Lizzie stay with them even after she admitted to warped behavior (idolizing walkers, admitting what she did to the rabbits).  It wasn’t until she started killing humans and they realized just how out of touch she was did they resort to their final solution. If you’re accepting that they couldn’t help her then what else could they do?

And to the other post I’m fully aware that people use that mindset to kill mentally ill people. Still not comparable to the walking dead. Someone choosing not to access the resources and services that we have in the real world still isnt the same as there being absolutely no resources for Lizzie in the ZA.

It does matter, because the root cause of her behavior isn’t recklessness.  That’s not to say that it doesn’t have similar results to someone acting recklessly, but the root cause of a lot of the behaviors you said were reckless was her delusions.  One thing mental health professionals do when dxing people is looking for the root cause.  For example, I have bipolar disorder and when I was exhibiting symptoms of mania, they were initially hesitant to dx me as bipolar because I was drinking a lot.  They said they were unsure if the mania caused the drinking, or the drinking caused symptoms that resembled mania.  They’d do the same thing for Lizzie, and the root cause here would not be recklessness, but would be psychosis.  The fact that the show decided to tack on some symptoms that they felt made her seem like a serial killer doesn’t change that, and frankly is just irresponsible writing.

Chronic physical illnesses can be more complicated to treat.  Sure, treating a headache or a flu isnt that complicated, but those aren’t the only types of physical illnesses. 

And TWD would never kill off Rick, he’s clearly the show runner’s favorite, and he’s a white cis man, and the writers have pretty clearly showed preferences towards white cis men.  Plus, his illness was always depicted as temporary and induced by one event, whereas Lizzie’s was depicted as more consistent.  Plus the fact that they haven’t killed off ALL mentally ill characters in an execution-style manner doesn’t really change the fact that when they did, it was super ableist.

Some people literally can’t afford to access services for their children in the real world.  Does that justify killing the children?

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posted 1 month ago (® lizziesamuelsfuture)

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