mallow-wolf said,
"1) If you have a problem with what I post, please just unfollow me. 2) The point of the self Diagnosis post was that POOR PEOPLE CANT AFFORD PROPER HEALTHCARE. Are you saying that because of that all poor people with mental problems should just pretend they are fine and never say anything about what may be wrong with them? If they could get a proper doctor to give them a look over they would. But they cant. Thats the whole point of the post."

erogesekaiseifuku:

nothingaboutus-withoutus:

erogesekaiseifuku:

nothingaboutus-withoutus:

erogesekaiseifuku:

nothingaboutus-withoutus:

erogesekaiseifuku:

nothingaboutus-withoutus:

erogesekaiseifuku:

I think I addressed that in what I said, clearly I said that psychiatric care is expensive.I also said that rallying for proper legislation is the way to go. What is self diagnosing going to do but allow for people to misdiagnosis themselves and ask for meds or treatment that isn’t going to help them? Being properly diagnosed is the only way to go about that and diagnosing yourself isn’t going to make the meds or treatment any cheaper.

And what are people supposed to do before this legislation is passed?  Are you also going to stop medical abuse?  Are you also going to stop parental abuse that often stops kids and teenagers from seeking care?  And again, what are people supposed to do in the time before all these changes are made?  Change doesn’t get made immediately, and you can’t expect people to act as if the change has already happened, when it hasn’t.

Self-diagnosing helps people understand themselves and helps them find a community of people like them.  

How does potentially getting the wrong diagnosing help you exactly? How does that do anything but give someone false hope?  Like i said to the other person there is nothing you can do Changes don’t come immediately but using a flawed method to make yourself feel better isn’t ok ethier. 

"You might be wrong so what’s the point?" is the most ridiculous logic ever.  Professional doctors are sometimes wrong too, but that doesn’t mean there’s no point to getting a diagnosis to a professional.

A professional who has spent many years studying the field versus an average joe. Which one is going to come out with a more accurate diagnosis?

So “Well I have no other option but to shoot in the dark. As long as I’m happy in the end that’s all that matters” Isn’t ridiculous? 

Nothing can compare to getting professional help. 

Education isn’t really the only factor here.   My friend who is a public health major is asking me to come do a talk some time to public health students on incorporating disability perspectives into public health because they don’t learn anything on it.  Now, medical students particularly students studying in psychiatry obviously learn more about disabilities, but they learn it from only one perspective - the perspective of the medical model, and generally the perspective of neurotypical people talking about mental illness and disability.  

There are lots of mental health professionals that honestly just use checklists to diagnose people.  Yet, I don’t see you worrying about that.  How is that more accurate than someone doing a ton of research, comparing their experience to that of other people with that mental illness or disorder, reading journals, reading tons of stuff?

And self diagnosis isn’t “shooting in the dark” omfg there is plenty of information out there.  

You mean tons of information made by mental health professional that ” just use a checklists”? People have studied in the field of psychiatry for years  and have degrees.People who have talked to a wide range of patients and documented their work. 

Talking to randoms on forums and getting their two cents, going on sites with quiz and check lists and trying to go through different diagnosis to figure out which one you have is not smart. 

So I’m sorry. 

Some of it, yeah??? Look, I’ve experienced tons of abuse, misdiagnosis, and other bullshit from these psychiatrists you so worship.  ”Studying” mentally ill people doesn’t mean you know how we feel, and it certainly doesn’t mean you know how we feel more than we do.  Stuff like confirmation bias exists, if psychiatrists have negative or prejudicial views about mental illness, studying mentally ill people is often going to lead to them subconsciously looking for things that confirm those views. They’re going to see the things that confirm their views, and they’re going to ignore the things that don’t.  Then, they’re going to apply their false beliefs to their patients.

No form of diagnosis of mental illness is perfect.  Literally none.  And you’re the one who keeps bringing up quizzes and checklists?  I never said relying on those was a good idea.

Look, I don’t trust you at all to rally for any sort of legislation that would help people who currently have to self-diagnose.  Anyone who ignores the shitty things doctors and psychiatrists do and puts them on a platform like this is not going to help me.

Worship? So saying that I trust trained professionals over random people on the internet, I worship them?  Is saying I trust medical doctors overs backdoor or out of home “doctors” worshipping them? 

That’s pretty much what happens in any field, people will have preconceived biases that can effect there work.The fact that there a medical doctors who will not treat a patient because they find what they do or what they are morally reprehensible should tell anyone that. But you wouldn’t right off going to the doctors office for check up because of that would you? 

There are thousands of different psychiatrics, you can’t say that you know every single one is biased and unfair.Or don’t know what they are talking about especially over people on the internet. 

I only brung up checklists and quizzes in the last post and that was after your “I know 10 psychiatrist who use only check list to diagnose their patients.So self diagnosing isn’t that bad in comparison “ 

You didn’t even refute the fact that the research that people get to self diagnosis is from those psychiatrist that have I’m guessing a large and systematic of misinformation and misdiagnosing and negligence on mental health patients. At least that’s tone you are taking. So if some of that research comes from those untrustworthy doctors what’s the point of using it?

So apparently wanting to trust professionals means you ignore that some of them can be assholes?  Yeah I’d rather have someone without a mental illness or at least someone with enough knowledge to know what theirs is and take an objective stance when looking at it or seeing people with the same illness or something similar to their own. 

If you do that by ignoring or downplaying the faults of the industry, what else would you call it?  Look, you don’t have to trust other people with your own care, but it is reasonable to trust other people with their own care.

But you wouldn’t right off going to the doctors office for check up because of that would you? ” Uh, yeah, personally I would.  That’s what I’ve been trying to tell you this whole time.  

There are lots of different mental health professionals, true, and I never said that every one of them is biased (although, everyone has biases, so yeah, every one of them is biased) or unfair.  But you can’t expect people to gamble with their own safety to find one of the good ones if they don’t feel comfortable doing so.  Because that’s what going to mental health professionals has been like for me, a gamble.  With my mental health, with my safety, with my autonomy.

I actually said that self-diagnosing is generally, much better than the checklist test some psychiatrists will do, because it’s much more individualized and rarely do people self diagnose only based on a checklist.

And ??? I never said that no mental health professional ever produced anything good or useful.  For the millionth time, there is plenty of accurate information out there not created by mental health professionals (you do realize it is possible to do the same level of education mental health professionals do on the same subjects without actually being a mental health professional?  I’m not saying most self diagnosers have done this level of education, I’m just saying that there’s information out there from people at this level of education).  And there is plenty of information written by decent mental health professionals.  The great thing about internet research is it doesn’t involve direct interaction with mental health professionals.

This isn’t about just some mental health professionals being assholes, btw, it’s about the whole industry being oppressive, historically and presently,.

I’m not reply anymore because you keep blatantly ignoring the things that I say, and frankly it’s obnoxious.

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posted 1 month ago (® erogesekaiseifuku)
http://opinions-about-things.tumblr.com/post/78685146068/nothingaboutus-withoutus

opinions-about-things:

nothingaboutus-withoutus:

opinions-about-things:

You don’t have to like Woody Allen to respect Cate Blanchett’s speech

yes, lets act like Woody Allen is just “problematic” or something, when he’s a child rapist

I’m sorry, but where in my post did I say “Let’s just act like Woody…

Because your whole post reeks of the whole ~she likes problematic things!! as long as she doesn’t defend him~ mindset which is applicable in some situations but ceases to apply when someone’s a rapist.

And yes, a speech about feminism ceases to be feminist when you acknowledge a child rapist.  Get out of there with this shit.  If Cate’s feminism isn’t intersectional, if it doesn’t support survivors, it’s bullshit.

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posted 1 month ago (® opinions-about-things)
mallow-wolf said,
"1) If you have a problem with what I post, please just unfollow me. 2) The point of the self Diagnosis post was that POOR PEOPLE CANT AFFORD PROPER HEALTHCARE. Are you saying that because of that all poor people with mental problems should just pretend they are fine and never say anything about what may be wrong with them? If they could get a proper doctor to give them a look over they would. But they cant. Thats the whole point of the post."

erogesekaiseifuku:

nothingaboutus-withoutus:

erogesekaiseifuku:

nothingaboutus-withoutus:

erogesekaiseifuku:

nothingaboutus-withoutus:

erogesekaiseifuku:

I think I addressed that in what I said, clearly I said that psychiatric care is expensive.I also said that rallying for proper legislation is the way to go. What is self diagnosing going to do but allow for people to misdiagnosis themselves and ask for meds or treatment that isn’t going to help them? Being properly diagnosed is the only way to go about that and diagnosing yourself isn’t going to make the meds or treatment any cheaper.

And what are people supposed to do before this legislation is passed?  Are you also going to stop medical abuse?  Are you also going to stop parental abuse that often stops kids and teenagers from seeking care?  And again, what are people supposed to do in the time before all these changes are made?  Change doesn’t get made immediately, and you can’t expect people to act as if the change has already happened, when it hasn’t.

Self-diagnosing helps people understand themselves and helps them find a community of people like them.  

How does potentially getting the wrong diagnosing help you exactly? How does that do anything but give someone false hope?  Like i said to the other person there is nothing you can do Changes don’t come immediately but using a flawed method to make yourself feel better isn’t ok ethier. 

"You might be wrong so what’s the point?" is the most ridiculous logic ever.  Professional doctors are sometimes wrong too, but that doesn’t mean there’s no point to getting a diagnosis to a professional.

A professional who has spent many years studying the field versus an average joe. Which one is going to come out with a more accurate diagnosis?

So “Well I have no other option but to shoot in the dark. As long as I’m happy in the end that’s all that matters” Isn’t ridiculous? 

Nothing can compare to getting professional help. 

Education isn’t really the only factor here.   My friend who is a public health major is asking me to come do a talk some time to public health students on incorporating disability perspectives into public health because they don’t learn anything on it.  Now, medical students particularly students studying in psychiatry obviously learn more about disabilities, but they learn it from only one perspective - the perspective of the medical model, and generally the perspective of neurotypical people talking about mental illness and disability.  

There are lots of mental health professionals that honestly just use checklists to diagnose people.  Yet, I don’t see you worrying about that.  How is that more accurate than someone doing a ton of research, comparing their experience to that of other people with that mental illness or disorder, reading journals, reading tons of stuff?

And self diagnosis isn’t “shooting in the dark” omfg there is plenty of information out there.  

You mean tons of information made by mental health professional that ” just use a checklists”? People have studied in the field of psychiatry for years  and have degrees.People who have talked to a wide range of patients and documented their work. 

Talking to randoms on forums and getting their two cents, going on sites with quiz and check lists and trying to go through different diagnosis to figure out which one you have is not smart. 

So I’m sorry. 

Some of it, yeah??? Look, I’ve experienced tons of abuse, misdiagnosis, and other bullshit from these psychiatrists you so worship.  ”Studying” mentally ill people doesn’t mean you know how we feel, and it certainly doesn’t mean you know how we feel more than we do.  Stuff like confirmation bias exists, if psychiatrists have negative or prejudicial views about mental illness, studying mentally ill people is often going to lead to them subconsciously looking for things that confirm those views. They’re going to see the things that confirm their views, and they’re going to ignore the things that don’t.  Then, they’re going to apply their false beliefs to their patients.

No form of diagnosis of mental illness is perfect.  Literally none.  And you’re the one who keeps bringing up quizzes and checklists?  I never said relying on those was a good idea.

Look, I don’t trust you at all to rally for any sort of legislation that would help people who currently have to self-diagnose.  Anyone who ignores the shitty things doctors and psychiatrists do and puts them on a platform like this is not going to help me.

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posted 1 month ago (® erogesekaiseifuku)
mallow-wolf said,
"1) If you have a problem with what I post, please just unfollow me. 2) The point of the self Diagnosis post was that POOR PEOPLE CANT AFFORD PROPER HEALTHCARE. Are you saying that because of that all poor people with mental problems should just pretend they are fine and never say anything about what may be wrong with them? If they could get a proper doctor to give them a look over they would. But they cant. Thats the whole point of the post."

erogesekaiseifuku:

nothingaboutus-withoutus:

erogesekaiseifuku:

nothingaboutus-withoutus:

erogesekaiseifuku:

I think I addressed that in what I said, clearly I said that psychiatric care is expensive.I also said that rallying for proper legislation is the way to go. What is self diagnosing going to do but allow for people to misdiagnosis themselves and ask for meds or treatment that isn’t going to help them? Being properly diagnosed is the only way to go about that and diagnosing yourself isn’t going to make the meds or treatment any cheaper.

And what are people supposed to do before this legislation is passed?  Are you also going to stop medical abuse?  Are you also going to stop parental abuse that often stops kids and teenagers from seeking care?  And again, what are people supposed to do in the time before all these changes are made?  Change doesn’t get made immediately, and you can’t expect people to act as if the change has already happened, when it hasn’t.

Self-diagnosing helps people understand themselves and helps them find a community of people like them.  

How does potentially getting the wrong diagnosing help you exactly? How does that do anything but give someone false hope?  Like i said to the other person there is nothing you can do Changes don’t come immediately but using a flawed method to make yourself feel better isn’t ok ethier. 

"You might be wrong so what’s the point?" is the most ridiculous logic ever.  Professional doctors are sometimes wrong too, but that doesn’t mean there’s no point to getting a diagnosis to a professional.

A professional who has spent many years studying the field versus an average joe. Which one is going to come out with a more accurate diagnosis?

So “Well I have no other option but to shoot in the dark. As long as I’m happy in the end that’s all that matters” Isn’t ridiculous? 

Nothing can compare to getting professional help. 

Education isn’t really the only factor here.   My friend who is a public health major is asking me to come do a talk some time to public health students on incorporating disability perspectives into public health because they don’t learn anything on it.  Now, medical students particularly students studying in psychiatry obviously learn more about disabilities, but they learn it from only one perspective - the perspective of the medical model, and generally the perspective of neurotypical people talking about mental illness and disability.  

There are lots of mental health professionals that honestly just use checklists to diagnose people.  Yet, I don’t see you worrying about that.  How is that more accurate than someone doing a ton of research, comparing their experience to that of other people with that mental illness or disorder, reading journals, reading tons of stuff?

And self diagnosis isn’t “shooting in the dark” omfg there is plenty of information out there.  

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posted 1 month ago (® erogesekaiseifuku)
lichgem:

thethirddecade1121:

living-for-fiction:

fuck-benedict-cumberbatch:

ok this picture really bothers me
not every parent is a stereotyping, judgmental, prick
please stop endorsing the idea that they are
yes, some parents are shitty, but some are wonderful and caring and supportive and you need to recognize that

That’s true, but this is a pretty common paradigm for parents to fall into. Mine did, and despite 7 years of telling them something was wrong, I got the second column back as answers. After I got an official diagnosis, I got the second column CONSTANTLY from them. It wasn’t until I ended up in the emergency room after a SEVERE panic attack (after I had already moved out for college and sought the psychiatric help that I’d needed for YEARS, despite their protests) that they even began to take me seriously. Way too little, way too late. I will NEVER trust then with mental health again.So pictures like this are important. They let kids (and adults) know that just because their parents refuse to validate them, does not mean their problems are invalid. Meanwhile, it reminds the future generation of parents—read: a lot of the young people on tumblr—to be mindful of their kids and actually LISTEN when they come to them with problems.I get that this can be frustrating, especially if you’re a supportive parent and/or had supportive parents. But a picture like this, simple as it seems, can mean the world for those of us whose parents refused to listen.

I have zero sympathy for people upset about this. Good for you your parents didn’t suck who fucking cares

What I want to know is, why is it important to recognize that some parents are good? For whom is it important? What good does that do for anyone when the world is full of abusive, ableist, homophobic, transphobic parents who are kicking their kids out on the streets to die because they don’t fit their ideal of a good kid?
There is a specific context in which it’s important to know that good people exist, and that’s when you’re drowning in despair from the horribleness of the world. Speaking up about ableism parents perpetuate on their kids is NOT the time and place to scold everyone about saying bad things about parents when ‘they’re not all like that.’

If there’s any problem with this, it’s that it’s too kind on psychiatrists, not that it’s too harsh on parents.  And that ‘anti-social’ is misused.

lichgem:

thethirddecade1121:

living-for-fiction:

fuck-benedict-cumberbatch:

ok this picture really bothers me

not every parent is a stereotyping, judgmental, prick

please stop endorsing the idea that they are

yes, some parents are shitty, but some are wonderful and caring and supportive and you need to recognize that

That’s true, but this is a pretty common paradigm for parents to fall into. Mine did, and despite 7 years of telling them something was wrong, I got the second column back as answers. After I got an official diagnosis, I got the second column CONSTANTLY from them. It wasn’t until I ended up in the emergency room after a SEVERE panic attack (after I had already moved out for college and sought the psychiatric help that I’d needed for YEARS, despite their protests) that they even began to take me seriously. Way too little, way too late. I will NEVER trust then with mental health again.

So pictures like this are important. They let kids (and adults) know that just because their parents refuse to validate them, does not mean their problems are invalid. Meanwhile, it reminds the future generation of parents—read: a lot of the young people on tumblr—to be mindful of their kids and actually LISTEN when they come to them with problems.

I get that this can be frustrating, especially if you’re a supportive parent and/or had supportive parents. But a picture like this, simple as it seems, can mean the world for those of us whose parents refused to listen.

I have zero sympathy for people upset about this. Good for you your parents didn’t suck who fucking cares

What I want to know is, why is it important to recognize that some parents are good? For whom is it important? What good does that do for anyone when the world is full of abusive, ableist, homophobic, transphobic parents who are kicking their kids out on the streets to die because they don’t fit their ideal of a good kid?

There is a specific context in which it’s important to know that good people exist, and that’s when you’re drowning in despair from the horribleness of the world. Speaking up about ableism parents perpetuate on their kids is NOT the time and place to scold everyone about saying bad things about parents when ‘they’re not all like that.’

If there’s any problem with this, it’s that it’s too kind on psychiatrists, not that it’s too harsh on parents.  And that ‘anti-social’ is misused.

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posted 1 month ago (® nologicfound)
I'm probably going to rant about this for the 100th time.

thebipolarbear-x:

But i fucking hate hate hate hate people who WANT to be bipolar. It makes me literally so angry i just want to punch them in the face. Theres this person on yahoo answers, sees a psychiatrist, psychiatrist has insisted many times she is borderline not bipolar and she still won’t accept it and says…

Uh, first of all, psychiatrists make mistakes.  It’s so possible for a psychiatrist to mistake bipolar disorder for borderline personality disorder, although I’m not in this person’s brain so I cannot know.

As for the thing about being a danger to oneself and others, that just sounds like some internalized ableism.

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posted 1 month ago (® thebipolarbear-x)
Mental Illness as a "Myth"

hunk-of-moon:

Forgive long post, but I think this needs to be said. (I have a writing assignment for my Abnormal Psych class, based off of Mark Vonnegut’s “Eden Express” - in which he details his experience with schizophrenic psychosis induced by an acid trip)


I find it an unfortunately short-sighted, and…

Mental illness isn’t a myth and people who say that are wrong imo, but assuming benevolence on the part of psychiatry is really harmful. I’m a psychiatric survivor.  What being a psychiatric survivor means for me as a political movement is that I feel as if the psychiatric institution has been created in such a way that it has immense power over its patients.  It also has been historically incredibly abusive and coercive to us.   I cannot ignore this, and I cannot ignore the abuse I faced from the psychiatric field.  I do not think it was just a one time thing in a field of mostly good people.  History shows otherwise.  I don’t think things such as meds or therapy are bad (although I do think some meds and therapy are bad, but not all), but I do think psychiatry has typically used them against mentally ill people.  I will fight against this, because it’s wrong to treat us this way.

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posted 1 month ago (® hunk-of-moon)

jessicadrags:

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Uh, it was pretty clearly rape.  Mellie’s response afterwards does not change that it was rape.  Stop being disgusting.

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posted 1 month ago (® jessicadrags)
mallow-wolf said,
"1) If you have a problem with what I post, please just unfollow me. 2) The point of the self Diagnosis post was that POOR PEOPLE CANT AFFORD PROPER HEALTHCARE. Are you saying that because of that all poor people with mental problems should just pretend they are fine and never say anything about what may be wrong with them? If they could get a proper doctor to give them a look over they would. But they cant. Thats the whole point of the post."

erogesekaiseifuku:

nothingaboutus-withoutus:

erogesekaiseifuku:

I think I addressed that in what I said, clearly I said that psychiatric care is expensive.I also said that rallying for proper legislation is the way to go. What is self diagnosing going to do but allow for people to misdiagnosis themselves and ask for meds or treatment that isn’t going to help them? Being properly diagnosed is the only way to go about that and diagnosing yourself isn’t going to make the meds or treatment any cheaper.

And what are people supposed to do before this legislation is passed?  Are you also going to stop medical abuse?  Are you also going to stop parental abuse that often stops kids and teenagers from seeking care?  And again, what are people supposed to do in the time before all these changes are made?  Change doesn’t get made immediately, and you can’t expect people to act as if the change has already happened, when it hasn’t.

Self-diagnosing helps people understand themselves and helps them find a community of people like them.  

How does potentially getting the wrong diagnosing help you exactly? How does that do anything but give someone false hope?  Like i said to the other person there is nothing you can do Changes don’t come immediately but using a flawed method to make yourself feel better isn’t ok ethier. 

"You might be wrong so what’s the point?" is the most ridiculous logic ever.  Professional doctors are sometimes wrong too, but that doesn’t mean there’s no point to getting a diagnosis to a professional.

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posted 1 month ago (® erogesekaiseifuku)
http://hall-annie.tumblr.com/post/78534418121/i-just-want-to-set-the-basis-of-what-i-think-about

hall-annie:

I just want to set the basis of what I think about the Woody Allen thing.

I am literally unable to know anything for sure, because I am a stranger to that family and I can asure absolutely nothing about that man or his children and ex wife. I don’t have an opinion about it. I let the justice and…

you’re comparing the need to laud a movie (which, you know, doesn’t exist) to the need for emergency medical care….

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posted 1 month ago (® hall-annie)

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