http://autisticproblems.tumblr.com/post/93789106177

cliffexcellent:

autisticproblems:

cliffexcellent:

"Tumblr is a safe space for autistic people!"

…unless you’re low functioning, anti self-diagnosis, or think you’d be better off without autism.

Being anti self diagnosis doesn’t need safe spaces because the whole world is its safe space. Also. Tumblr as a whole isn’t a safe…

I’m not saying they need to be prioritised, I’m saying no-one in their right mind can call it a safe space for autistic people when you will get mobbed just for having a different opinion.

Being anti self-diagnosis doesn’t mean you’re not also autistic. It’s only a safe space if you fit within a very narrow definition of what autism is.

When you act oppressively towards other autistic people, your presence in a space is inherently unsafe towards other autistic people.  Being a safe space means protecting autistic people from other autistic people who would act oppressively towards them.  It doesn’t mean readily accepting people who make the space unsafe.

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posted 2 weeks ago (® cliffexcellent)

makemehealthyplease:

Well, that explains a lot.

Alright, this is why I don’t politely argue with people who invalidate me and my friend’s existence.  I thought that discussion was at the point where we’d reached some sort of a consensus at least on one issue.  Now you’re following me while vagueblogging about me and I feel unsafe.  Please unfollow.

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posted 2 weeks ago (® makemehealthyplease)
One of my favourite examples of the problem with special snowflake self diagnosis is whenever I see someone saying that they have bipolar disorder and depression.

makemehealthyplease:

nothingaboutus-withoutus:

makemehealthyplease:

makemehealthyplease:

nothingaboutus-withoutus:

makemehealthyplease:

You can totally be depressed whilst you’re manic. Duh.

………… most people with bipolar disorder experience depressive episodes, where (spoiler alert) they’re depressed

also mixed episodes are a thing.

maybe…

Yes, which is exactly my point. I have seen people list their diagnoses and include both bipolar disorder and depression. They aren’t saying that they are having a depressive episode, they are stating that they have the two disorders at the same time.

Okay.  I mean, I think that could just as easily be a case of doctors not talking to patients though?  I mean, I’ve been dxed with depression first and then bipolar disorder.  I knew that my bipolar disorder negated my depression diagnosis but only cause I’d done a lot of my own research - it’s not like the doctors told me that.

But my main problem was with the “You can totally be depressed whilst you’re manic” thing.

I’m surprised that your doctors didn’t tell you that, especially because you had been misdiagnosed, to be honest, but it’s awesome that you did a lot of your own research about it as it’s very important. (I don’t know anything about you or your history, it’s just that in my experience that hasn’t happened, nor to people I know, which isn’t on say it didn’t happen to you- that was your experience. I’m not trying to say it didn’t happen or anything!) When I was diagnosed, my doctor explained what it was to me. Sure, I did not have a previous diagnosis of depression, but still. I understood that my mood would cycle. I also think that it makes sense that depressive episodes are a part of the bipolar… It just seems like common sense to me. I don’t know.

I probably should have worded it better- something like “because you can have mania when you have major depressive disorder- but I assumed people would understand the context. My apologies.

My psychiatrist kind of sucked, I knew what bipolar disorder was when I came in and thought I probably had it, and she was like “Yes that sounds like bipolar disorder, but sorry, you’re an alcoholic, so therefore we can’t diagnose you with bipolar disorder, we’re going to put you on these anti-depressants” and I was like “That sounds like a bad idea” but I took the medication and then had a terrible mixed episode.  And then my doctor decided she could in fact diagnose me as having bipolar disorder.  And then she tried to coerce me into getting an IUD, which didn’t even make any sense because she was a psychiatrist.  Overall a terrible experience.  I list major depression when I talk about things I was diagnosed with, generally with a caveat that I’ve been misdiagnosed a bunch of times, because usually when I’m listing that it’s not to say “I have all these things” but just to show how much I’ve been diagnosed and rediagnosed and misdiagnosed.  Sometimes I worry people don’t believe me about my experiences with the psychiatric field because it’s almost unbelievable how bad my experiences are, like even having the memories sometimes I’m just like… “How did this happen?”   I know other people have had okay or good experiences but mine haven’t been that.

And yeah I guess I was just thinking you were saying that people with bipolar disorder always have to call our experiences depressive episodes rather than just saying “I’m depressed.”  I’m glad that’s not what you meant.

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posted 2 weeks ago (® makemehealthyplease)
FUUUUUCK

mid0lprincess:

nothingaboutus-withoutus:

mid0lprincess:

mid0lprincess:

I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE ON THIS FUCKING WEBSITE THINK SELF DIAGNOSING THEMSELVES AS AUTISTIC OR CLINICALLY DEPRESSED OR HAVING SOCIAL ANXIETY OR ANY OTHER ILLNESS IS CUTE. THAT IS SO FUCKING OFFENSIVE BECAUSE WHILE YOURE OUT THERE SELF DIAGNOSING AND PRETENDING TO BE…

Never said not having a diagnosis by a professional meant the person does not have a disorder. You can have symptoms. You are not autistic because you google symptoms and decide those fit you.

You said that self-diagnosed people are “PRETENDING TO BE SICK OR MENTALLY ILL OR WHATEVER THERE ARE ACTUALLY PEOPLE WHO FUCKING GO THROUGH THE STRUGGLE OF LIVING DAY TO DAY WITH THE ILLNESS,” so you literally did say that not having a diagnosis by a professional means the person’s experience with mental illness is invalidated.

keyword pretending. Maybe you should quit self diagnosing and you wouldn’t be offended. You can show symptoms. A lot of symptoms lead to different things. That’s why professionals go to school. TO LEARN. what is their job if you sit here and think you’re an expert? Obviously a SYMPTOM is one thing. It doesn’t mean you’re in fact whatever you googled. Doctors and low cost/free clinics are there for a reason. Use it and quit acting like Google gives you PHD. eat my ass.

except that you implied that all self diagnosed people are pretending.  

nightmares, flashbacks, panic attacks triggered by memories of abuse, emotional numbness, immense fear, freaking out when im touched without warning - all of which started after a traumatic experience, it doesnt take a degree to figure out what im experiencing.

and i didnt just google it, ive read many books on PTSD.  im also immensely triggered by doctors, so your suggestion of low cost clinics does not help me.

people with PhDs in English went to school to learn too, but that doesn’t mean someone who reads a book and is able to interpret it is wrong.

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posted 2 weeks ago (® mid0lprincess)
dvelastrider said,
"i would like to apologize if my post upset you. it was wrong of me to think that people who have actually went through horrible things dont need a doctor to realize they have ptsd. i am very sorry."

thank you.  its not that like ? i dont want / need to see a doctor, i mean sometimes i do.  i just can’t.  some of my trauma was at the hands of doctors and psychiatrists, its painful and triggering to see them, and i have trouble believing that i can find a doctor who i trust not to assault me.

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posted 2 weeks ago
holoskas said,
"i wasn't talking about medical abuse, is what i was trying to get at. that's something completely different. im talking about what they're saying, i'm really sorry if talking about that brought up bad memories and im sorry for the misunderstanding. i hope you're alright"

okay.  thank you. it did because i have trouble seeing doctors and psychiatrists now cause of what ive experienced.  like when people tell me i should see them i feel like im being told to just “pick myself up from my bootstraps.” 

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posted 2 weeks ago
FUUUUUCK

mid0lprincess:

mid0lprincess:

I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE ON THIS FUCKING WEBSITE THINK SELF DIAGNOSING THEMSELVES AS AUTISTIC OR CLINICALLY DEPRESSED OR HAVING SOCIAL ANXIETY OR ANY OTHER ILLNESS IS CUTE. THAT IS SO FUCKING OFFENSIVE BECAUSE WHILE YOURE OUT THERE SELF DIAGNOSING AND PRETENDING TO BE…

Never said not having a diagnosis by a professional meant the person does not have a disorder. You can have symptoms. You are not autistic because you google symptoms and decide those fit you.

You said that self-diagnosed people are “PRETENDING TO BE SICK OR MENTALLY ILL OR WHATEVER THERE ARE ACTUALLY PEOPLE WHO FUCKING GO THROUGH THE STRUGGLE OF LIVING DAY TO DAY WITH THE ILLNESS,” so you literally did say that not having a diagnosis by a professional means the person’s experience with mental illness is invalidated.

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posted 2 weeks ago (® mid0lprincess)
One of my favourite examples of the problem with special snowflake self diagnosis is whenever I see someone saying that they have bipolar disorder and depression.

makemehealthyplease:

makemehealthyplease:

nothingaboutus-withoutus:

makemehealthyplease:

You can totally be depressed whilst you’re manic. Duh.

………… most people with bipolar disorder experience depressive episodes, where (spoiler alert) they’re depressed

also mixed episodes are a thing.

maybe…

Yes, which is exactly my point. I have seen people list their diagnoses and include both bipolar disorder and depression. They aren’t saying that they are having a depressive episode, they are stating that they have the two disorders at the same time.

Okay.  I mean, I think that could just as easily be a case of doctors not talking to patients though?  I mean, I’ve been dxed with depression first and then bipolar disorder.  I knew that my bipolar disorder negated my depression diagnosis but only cause I’d done a lot of my own research - it’s not like the doctors told me that.

But my main problem was with the “You can totally be depressed whilst you’re manic” thing.

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posted 2 weeks ago (® makemehealthyplease)

holoskas:

nothingaboutus-withoutus:

holoskas:

nothingaboutus-withoutus:

holoskas:

"i had a bad experience with a psychiatrist which means all of them are bad and unreliable!!" sit the fuck down actually

ya lets just tell people who were abused that they should just get over it and trust people who will have power over them in similar ways their abusers did

p.s. its not just a few bad psychiatrists, its the whole system.

when did i mention anything about abuse??? where are you getting this from

many of the people who self diagnose and talk about bad experiences with psychiatry are talking about abuse…

the majority of the posts about it i’ve seen are ACTUALLY talking about being misdiagnosed, or not being diagnosed when the person REALLY TRULY THINKS THEY HAVE IT, or being bounced between psychiatrists, or being given medication that makes them feel bad, etc etc

that is definitely NOT abuse, sorry pal

you can’t just brush off proper psych/medical treatment because you think all doctors/psychiatrists are bad

well first of all, people have the right to make that decision for themself.  if someone doesnt trust psych/ medical treatment they have the right to.  this isnt about a few bad psychs/ doctors its about a system that facilitates the abuse of mentally ill people, especially people labeled dangerous or noncompliant by the psych system

second of all, ive experienced much worse than that from doctors and psychs.  ive been given medication that made me feel a lot more than just bad, some have made me rapid cycle (and this couldve been predicted and accounted for if the doctors believed me, which they eventually did which is why i have a professional dx of bipolar disorder, but they also could’ve never believed me).  prozac i am literally deathly allergic to and almost died, due to them recommending me keep taking it despite my heart rate being approx. 30 beats per minute.  and ive experienced worse stuff too that i dont want to talk to in detail, but the point is that i know what medical abuse looks like.  many of my friends have experienced similar things.

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posted 2 weeks ago (® holoskas)

florencemorph:

nothingaboutus-withoutus:

florencemorph:

Please, tell me more about how a cure for autism would be oppressive.

You fucking twats.

you do realize most of the people saying that have had meltdowns like this one? they suck, but framing them as my entire life and saying they mean we deserve to be eradicated IS oppressive.

You clearly know nothing about this boy or even autism.  He’s not “having a meltdown,” this is his everyday life.  He functions at the intellectual level of an 18-month old, even at the age of 8.  He constantly displays self-injurious behavior like this.  He has scars and bruises from punching himself.  

Not only that, but he’s completely nonverbal.  His parents have never heard his voice other than a scream.  His parents have to fight to stay afloat to be able to afford the care and therapy he needs.  They have to physically restrain sometimes before he causes permanent damage to himself.  They fear the day that they can no longer care for him and he is placed in an institution. They are living in hell.

Frankly, if you oppose researching a cure to autism, you’re a shitty person.  Autism isn’t an “identity” or some cool new trend. It’s a disease. A disease that destroys lives.

And if you think otherwise, you are balls deep in stupid.

im professionally diagnosed as autistic, and there are nonverbal autistic people who use aac and communicate about their experiences, but yeah, lets just trample over all of their experiences and mine as well.

also this is a 6 minute clip that i do not know how you could infer anything about this boy beyond the 6 minutes that were for some reason taped. (and taping meltdowns is fucked up btw).  also this is definitely a meltdown, thats literally what this is called.  i self injure too during meltdowns.  don’t tell me i dont know anything about autism when youre clearly ignorant as fuck.

also nice job making this all about the parents

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